Steeler Question

Livinginthe past · 04-10-2006, 12:52 AM

Steeler fans,

I remember when we had all that fuss over the new CBA - and alot of Steeler fans were worried about losing out in a capless season scenario.

The theory was that Pittsburgh is still a small market team, and wouldnt be able to cope with the Redskins, Giants and Patriots of the NFL.

I also remember hearing quite a bit about how well the Steelers are represented on a national scale - wouldnt this be enough to make them a large market team?

I'd appreciate some feedback on this - I always thought 'market' basically meant the size of the consumer base.

Thanks

NM

HburgXL06 · 04-10-2006, 12:56 AM

Wouldn't the market be more of like TV coverage and ticket sales in the stadium or the size of the city and population. I don't really understand the CBA so if someone knows enlighten me as well. Peace.

BuFu

MasterOfPuppets · 04-10-2006, 12:58 AM

i think the tv deal comes into play,and stadium naming rights.

ArmyMonkey · 04-10-2006, 01:12 AM

To me, I always was under the impression that they based what size "market" a team was in on available media outlets, i.e., newspapers, television, etc..etc.. Factors such as stadium naming rights, local tv deals(think Yankee Sports Network, Madison Square Garden Network), and other licensing deals owners have, and I am sure that plays a part in what size "market" a team is in.

While Pittsburgh has a huge fanbase, teams like ours cannot compete with the Jerry Jones, and the George Steinbrenners of the world. I know one of those guys are from baseball, but when you are in a position to do the things they do, its easy to see why these guys can offer the huge bonuses they give out to players, due in part to all of the secondary and ancillary income that they can generate. Pittsburgh simply cannot do that. I mean just look at the owner of the Seahawks, He has billions just from when he was with Microsoft.

Livinginthe past · 04-10-2006, 01:22 AM

Thanks guys - I guess the media outlet viewpoint is probably very crucial to what size market you are thought to have.

NM

OX1947 · 04-10-2006, 01:49 AM

It is media market. Has nothing to do with profit of a team and things like that. I'll tell you what though, when it comes to the local market in pitt and ratings. The steelers are #1. They had a stat on ESPN once and the host named the teams who had the highest local ratings. Pittsburgh had the highest with 69%. Which meant that 69% of the local tv rating for the steelers game was watching the Steelers.

However, if the Rooneys owned the NY giants or the NY Jets, and they ran things the way they do with pitt, they would be the most successful team in sports.

Haiku_Dirtt · 04-10-2006, 02:04 AM

This is where the Steelers organization would rank - top of the middle tier. But if you consider the population and the socioeconomics in western PA (and the solidity of the Rooney family) then pound for pound they are one of the best franchises. The new revenue streams from Heinz Field gave them the leverage to retain more homegrown talent.

BUT...the intangibles are unfolding before our very eyes. They gave Hines about a $9 million signing bonus. How many No. 86 jerseys will be sold in South Korea over the next several months??? Really!!! Of course the cynic in me also realizes that half will be bootlegs.

MasterOfPuppets · 04-10-2006, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OX1947

It is media market. Has nothing to do with profit of a team and things like that. I'll tell you what though, when it comes to the local market in pitt and ratings. The steelers are #1. They had a stat on ESPN once and the host named the teams who had the highest local ratings. Pittsburgh had the highest with 69%. Which meant that 69% of the local tv rating for the steelers game was watching the Steelers.

However, if the Rooneys owned the NY giants or the NY Jets, and they ran things the way they do with pitt, they would be the most successful team in sports.

it has everything to do with profit.and the media market is that profit. they pay for the rights to televise the games.

83-Steelers-43 · 04-10-2006, 02:12 PM

Speaking of the new CBA, keep in mind this is one of the guys that was against it......

AKA The Predator (with it's helmet off)

Stlrs4Life · 04-10-2006, 04:05 PM

Man, he looks alot like Alan Alda doesn't he?

04-10-2006, 12:56 AM	#2
HburgXL06 Assistant Coach Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: HBG reppin til I die! Posts: 1,475 Gender: Male Member Number: 1504	Re: Steeler Question Wouldn't the market be more of like TV coverage and ticket sales in the stadium or the size of the city and population. I don't really understand the CBA so if someone knows enlighten me as well. Peace. BuFu __________________ "Who said they was all tough? They ain't so tough! Smashmouth football baby! Pittsburgh style!" -Jerome Bettis #36 the BUS in 21-9 victory over Chicago Bears in 2005

04-10-2006, 12:58 AM	#3
MasterOfPuppets Living Legend Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: cumberland,MD (western md Posts: 8,413 Gender: Male Member Number: 1990	Re: Steeler Question i think the tv deal comes into play,and stadium naming rights.

04-10-2006, 01:12 AM	#4
ArmyMonkey Water Boy Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 10 Gender: Male Member Number: 2226	Re: Steeler Question To me, I always was under the impression that they based what size "market" a team was in on available media outlets, i.e., newspapers, television, etc..etc.. Factors such as stadium naming rights, local tv deals(think Yankee Sports Network, Madison Square Garden Network), and other licensing deals owners have, and I am sure that plays a part in what size "market" a team is in. While Pittsburgh has a huge fanbase, teams like ours cannot compete with the Jerry Jones, and the George Steinbrenners of the world. I know one of those guys are from baseball, but when you are in a position to do the things they do, its easy to see why these guys can offer the huge bonuses they give out to players, due in part to all of the secondary and ancillary income that they can generate. Pittsburgh simply cannot do that. I mean just look at the owner of the Seahawks, He has billions just from when he was with Microsoft.

04-10-2006, 01:22 AM	#5
Livinginthe past Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Crushing the AFCE...annually Posts: 7,520 Member Number: 478	Re: Steeler Question Thanks guys - I guess the media outlet viewpoint is probably very crucial to what size market you are thought to have. NM __________________ They've been great for a while now, three Super Bowls' worth of great. But only this season have the New England Patriots become The Show, the must-see team of stars, pretty boys and reformed bad boys. Suddenly, the Patriots are not simply great; they're compelling, fascinating, appearing to be almighty and a touch lawless. The Patriots didn't bother with swagger to start this NFL season; they went straight to defiant. Either you're one of them or you're about to get crushed.

04-10-2006, 01:49 AM	#6
OX1947 Team Captain Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 733 Member Number: 723	Re: Steeler Question It is media market. Has nothing to do with profit of a team and things like that. I'll tell you what though, when it comes to the local market in pitt and ratings. The steelers are #1. They had a stat on ESPN once and the host named the teams who had the highest local ratings. Pittsburgh had the highest with 69%. Which meant that 69% of the local tv rating for the steelers game was watching the Steelers. However, if the Rooneys owned the NY giants or the NY Jets, and they ran things the way they do with pitt, they would be the most successful team in sports.

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04-10-2006, 12:52 AM	#1
Livinginthe past Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Crushing the AFCE...annually Posts: 7,520 Member Number: 478	Steeler Question Steeler fans, I remember when we had all that fuss over the new CBA - and alot of Steeler fans were worried about losing out in a capless season scenario. The theory was that Pittsburgh is still a small market team, and wouldnt be able to cope with the Redskins, Giants and Patriots of the NFL. I also remember hearing quite a bit about how well the Steelers are represented on a national scale - wouldnt this be enough to make them a large market team? I'd appreciate some feedback on this - I always thought 'market' basically meant the size of the consumer base. Thanks NM __________________ They've been great for a while now, three Super Bowls' worth of great. But only this season have the New England Patriots become The Show, the must-see team of stars, pretty boys and reformed bad boys. Suddenly, the Patriots are not simply great; they're compelling, fascinating, appearing to be almighty and a touch lawless. The Patriots didn't bother with swagger to start this NFL season; they went straight to defiant. Either you're one of them or you're about to get crushed.

04-10-2006, 02:04 AM	#7
Haiku_Dirtt Head Coach Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: 156 degrees 17' 30" W 20 degrees 55' N Posts: 1,695 Member Number: 1645	Top of the middle tier This is where the Steelers organization would rank - top of the middle tier. But if you consider the population and the socioeconomics in western PA (and the solidity of the Rooney family) then pound for pound they are one of the best franchises. The new revenue streams from Heinz Field gave them the leverage to retain more homegrown talent. BUT...the intangibles are unfolding before our very eyes. They gave Hines about a $9 million signing bonus. How many No. 86 jerseys will be sold in South Korea over the next several months??? Really!!! Of course the cynic in me also realizes that half will be bootlegs.

04-10-2006, 02:12 PM	#9
83-Steelers-43 Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 12,993 Gender: Male Member Number: 1009	Re: Steeler Question Speaking of the new CBA, keep in mind this is one of the guys that was against it...... AKA The Predator (with it's helmet off) __________________ Last edited by 83-Steelers-43; 04-10-2006 at 02:50 PM.

04-10-2006, 04:05 PM	#10
Stlrs4Life Tailgate Coordinator Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Bedford, Pa Posts: 5,462 Gender: Male Member Number: 419	Re: Steeler Question Man, he looks alot like Alan Alda doesn't he? __________________ *It's not just Steeler Football, it's a way of Life!* "I'm a Champion"

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