The Mendenhall bin Laden tweets - a year later

[pete74]

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

wow..talk about naive.... everybody knows the terrorists hate us because of our freedoms... freedoms that are slowly being stripped from us under the guise of keeping us safe... but freedoms none the less....

hey pete... google the term "operation northwoods" .

im aware of it but there was never an intent to kill thousands of americans.

[pete74]

Originally Posted by ricardisimo

That's more than a little naive. We have troops all over the planet, largely unwelcome troops. Bin Laden's stated gripe from Day One was the presence of US troops in his native Saudi Arabia. We are the Empire, the occupying power, and although we might want to believe in our benign intent, they are under no obligation to do so. If we really didn't want to be hated we'd bring our troops home.

so you really think we serve no purpose having our military based across the world? thats naive. instead of thanking these troops for laying down there lives for your freedom you act as if there actions are pointless

[SCMom]

Originally Posted by Wallace108

I agree with Mom that the war on terror probably isn't winnable. But I don't think that means we shouldn't fight it. We'll also never stop all murders, but that doesn't mean we should stop having our police investigate threats.

Here's why we need to continue the fight:



Even if we can't win the war, we need to win these battles.

Of course threats should be investigated, it would be ridiculous not to. You can pull troops out and still do intel.

Terrorism cannot be stopped by applying force, and the main problem with this war is approach and methodology. It is an ideological war and it requires ideological solutions.

Nothing is going to change until the top leaders of Islam take a firm position against terrorism, and until some Arab nations begin to adopt more western ideals (not saying they have to be totally westernized like Japan).

Until then we are wasting time, money, and lives.

Like I said before, these guys are crazy...not stupid. They know we have bases set up all around them. Of course they're not going to try some major attack like a nuclear bomb. That would be stupid and totally defeat their purpose.

Also, the US needs to stop supporting some countries dictators, while denouncing others. It makes us look like complete assholes.

I'm in no way saying that getting out of this war (which is akin to our own 'war on drugs') would be easy. It would take some people with some serious balls to step up and do something to change the way our gov't deals with foreign policy.

[ricardisimo]

Originally Posted by pete74

so you really think we serve no purpose having our military based across the world? thats naive. instead of thanking these troops for laying down there lives for your freedom you act as if there actions are pointless

It's not pointless. There's obviously a point to it. The Obamas and Bushes of this world know what they are doing and how to do it. It just that the point is not what we are led to believe, and it certainly has absolutely nothing to do with my freedom.

Originally Posted by Wallace108

I agree with Mom that the war on terror probably isn't winnable. But I don't think that means we shouldn't fight it. We'll also never stop all murders, but that doesn't mean we should stop having our police investigate threats.

But theoretically the poice are actually investigating murders, and not simply responding to crime by indiscriminately shooting black folk or blowing up project buildings in Philly, Chicago or LA... oh, wait... Never mind.

Seriously though, your analogy hit the nail on the head, whether you meant it or not. Terrorism is technically a crime, not an act of war. If we believe terrorists are acting as proxies for a foreign government, then we collect the evidence and present it to the world body. Real evidence, of course, not fabricated. Thank you Colin Powell.

[MasterOfPuppets]

Originally Posted by pete74

im aware of it but there was never an intent to kill thousands of americans.

no the intent was to manufacture a false excuse and to put fear into the american citizens to gain their support to start a war... our history is littered with "false flag" events.
58,000 americans lost their lives over the Tonkin excuse. which former secretary of state robert Macnamara openly admitted it was a fabricated lie to expand the war in vietnam.

History of
American False Flag Operations
http://www.911review.com/articles/an...perations.html

[Bayz101]

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

no the intent was to manufacture a false excuse and to put fear into the american citizens to gain their support to start a war... our history is littered with "false flag" events.

And next thing you know there'll be another attack, which gives the US excuse to put martial law into effect. I'm moving

[Steel Peon]

Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets

everybody knows the terrorists hate us because of our freedoms....

I'm pretty sure you're being facetious by saying that, due to it being stated largely as propaganda by you know who, and because you know about Operation Northwoods.